A change from 1 to 2% grade seems a lot higher than it should be but the trainer is usable now. Between this and CORE, that’s tricky – but 200EUR cheaper and I’d probably go CORE. Thank you And it feels good, but I’m not sure it’s appreciably different enough that most people be able to notice unless the two were side by side. However, I typically don’t worry too much about the rear cassette. These are all crazy close together, especially considering how quickly and dramatically the power is shifting. Normally my winter rides are going to work in the wet and rain in the PNW, but with covid and WFH that may be a bit harder to motivate. Seriously, you don’t. The Elite my ETraining app can be used to adjust some things on the trainer like power smoothing. And to compliment that, here’s The Girl’s (my wife’s) list. Very easy to use and set up. JohandeWit wrote: guiperpt wrote:Just performed JohandeWit workout in Zwift, and here are the results. Direto X Moment of Inertia = 15800 kgxmm2 However, I don’t know which units were off. Thankfully Elite is standardized on power adapter bricks, so mentally I know that one. Finally, Elite does have their own app that you can use for a handful of functions, but frankly I had no use for it here at any point in the testing cycle. B) Put correct axle adapters on sides, add skewer Wattage is not hard-set, only incline levels. Elite says this makes a 26% larger intertia amount: Overall, a good trainer!! As always for ERG mode, I used the smaller ring in the front chainring (as recommended by trainer company and app company, as it helps control flywheel speed). Nero. I’ve calibrated it multiple times and it just won’t keep consistent power. La précision de la puissance est annoncée à +/-1.5%. €770.00. If you’re new around these parts, here’s the long version of my story. Regardly, Andrea. So there’s still a difference but it has reduced considerably. I see the wrench only on W10 desktop, not on the Android app. For example, one thing I noted that’s important in my review is putting your front chainring into the small ring (as every ERG app and trainer company recommends). Note: Branding varies by country, exact same desk. 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It takes up to 45s for the Direto XR to settle into target power. You need to change the ‘Trainer Difficulty’ level to 100% in order to feel it (and most people don’t bother to). Funny sidenote, I semi-standardized on the Fizik shoes because they matched my road bike frame. The test was done with smoothing 2, and a 36x23 gear. So that’s another 3-6w give or take. That said, the one thing that max gradient tends to underpin though is lower/slower speed ascents of heavier riders with steeper gradients. You can try playing around with that. Boom! That’s is a good (actually bad) feedback. It is 15watts difference, if I go higer like 350w, then direto shows 330watss. See — link to zwiftinsider.com. But it’s also not silent. But take a close look, Shimano has short and long derailleurs. I found some instructions saying I should use a spacer. Slightly off topic – what shoes are you using here? That said, it’s a bit of a spec battle for the sake of battling. So, I’ll just find the gearing that sounds clean, and do the workout in that gear. If price is an issue but not totally unaffordable, where do you draw the line between a wheel on and direct mount trainer? I mean $50 US negligible. They look like Fizik Infinito R1s. Le Direto XR a été conçu pour être un modèle interactif, puissant et stable encore plus précis qu'à l'origine. I would not have finished without giving myself extra gearing by dialing it down. And I guess, if you count adding your bike atop it – then you need to do that too. Due to summer holidays/etc, that testing won’t likely be completed until September. If you set it to 10, your power data should be more stable. Testing it only takes seconds to apply with wood, books, wheel riser, etc. Sadly not, off-brand there. Clicca sul nome del trainer per trovare il seriale: Arion Digital / Arion Digital Smart B+ . If only is was that simple. Great prices d accurate watts. I ended up having to move it out of the way. The link to the trainer desk review looks bad. First off, nobody actually wants to go up a 24% hill. In that case, the company claims up to 2,300w of resistance at 40KPH. You’re right There’s a handful of minor cadence quirks in occasional spots, but as you can see from the chart above – it’s only in certain ride situations and is limited to a second or two. In genearl, you can get away with it for pure ERG mode, because there are gears that’ll be just fine. Depending on which region you’re in, it’s either already available to order and ship today, or it’s on a boat. I’m headed to Washington DC – what do you recommend for training? It's quiet and reliable, and it beats most of its direct competitors on price too. I normally would have a third data point, but for that set I was having issues with the SRM X pedals I was running, so I excluded it from the set. I say ‘quite’ happy as it’s a lot better than the Elite Novo smart trainer I’ve just sold but very similar as well. The power/accuracy is there, and my Drivo2 has huge range so I don’t have to change gears in ERG mode. How is the ERG mode responsiveness of this trainer? My colleagues will reach out asap to fix it out. This reaction time and accuracy are both tested here. A 1000 foot climb is still a 1000 foot climb. Any thoughts on how they compare for noise – both while pedaling and when coasting (admittedly not common during most Zwift sessions, but still a consideration for me)? Check out This trainer is the biggest evolution of the Elite Direto trainers featuring an integrated power meter. Compared to the Direto X, which simulated gradients of up to 18%, the DIRETO XR can simulate gradients of up to 24%, delivering up to 2300 watts at 40 km/h. The most enjoyable is the upgrade in Zwift, the trainer is very responsive to slope variation and variation of effort front pack. Re: Direto XR problems with ERG mode. If you use Elite’s own software, MyETraining, or the Garmin/Wahoo head unit to run the intervals, you will get the full delay. Re: Direto XR problems with ERG mode. Peter. Please let me know if you sort it out. The Direto XR transmits data on both ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart, as well as allowing interactive resistance control across both ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart. Pour ce motif, DIRETO XR est compatible avec des cassettes Shimano®/SRAM de 9/10/11 vitesses, Campagnolo de 9/10/11/12 vitesses, SRAM NX 12 vitesses et Shimano® 12 vitesses micro Spline. Thanks. If this would be true ERG mode should be impossible to use and looking at your review it is not what u have experienced. I may go outside from time-to-time but the Direto XR makes that less likely, Good trainer from arvintht October 6, 2020 I got this trainer a few weeks back. There’s no better test of that than 30×30 repeats (30-seconds at a high resistance, followed by 30-seconds at an easy resistance). Simulation (SIM) Mode: Simulating a specific outdoor grade – i.e., 14% incline. My 1st direct drive from DodgyDunk September 23, 2020 . The Direto XR is a high precision roller and the internal sensor measures 24 points for each pedal stroke This means that it is able to measure with extreme accuracy both the pedaling non-uniformity or better the thrust between the right and left leg and the pedaling non-uniformity between one pedal stroke and the next. Découvrez le nouveau home trainer de Elite, le Direto XR. Which app are you using to try and pair it? This means you can pair the trainer and get power/cadence/control, while also pairing up a heart rate strap. And I do not mean here the size to be specified on garmin devices (which I think has to be the nominal value / 12.1 for Direto XR). So I don’t use it. The main one is that the shifting is messed up. I also hear some weird sounds but at this point I don’t know if they’re from the shifting, from some other problem, or if it’s to be expected…. Drivo / Drivo II / Kura / Turno . Try pedal faster, then it might work. C) Plug it in. The noise you hear is from the resistance unit moving in and out. As to saddle comfort on the saddle, that leads into my other recommendation, which is a rocker plate. Working on a fix! Great What should one do when one fails an interval and needs to restart the trainer after a spiral of death? Quieter than a Flux 2 for sure, but not as quiet as a KICKR Core. And hopefully, since the Direto XR is a tidier Direto X, that we won’t see any manufacturing issues. Narrator: This is the moment that AW finds out what 15% hills actually feel like This was a crit race on the new Zwift Paris course, and so you can see the constant ups and downs of it. Elite Direto XR power meter and accuracy Elite claims the internal power meter is accurate to +/- 1.5 per cent, and that it can measure up to 220 data points per pedal stroke. I set power smoothing to 6. link to support.elite-it.com. Thanks Salvatore for the heads-up. Contrary to popular belief, we are not perfectly stable or vertical when riding a bike outside. Direto xr:762 € on bike-discount.de, should i get it ? Power data accuracy: direct-drive trainers are generally speaking more accurate regarding data on your watts. That’s just the one I use, and I use it only because 13 or so years ago when I got into cycling, that’s what someone first recommended. I live in apartment house and I can say it is quiet enough to train indoors without disturbing you neighbors - on sprints noise will get louder, but who makes +1400W sprints continuously? – Now includes 1-month Zwift coupon. It’s quite awkward with my laptop and where I put it (maybe I should buy a laptop stand for my trainer). For $8, this solves that problem. Shame on me for not figuring it out on my own. Just the way I roll! You’ll have to forgive me, as I’m currently laughing. Correct, it’s no longer being made going forward – the XR is now considered the top dog by Elite. I too have found this best on my trainer (Kickr Core fwiw), can anyone explain to me why this is the case? Hmm, good catch. The issue is with the “Power Responsiveness” and the initial “Power Stability” while responding to changes. Good luck anyway. Thanks for the great reviews – narrowed down my options to the Saris H3 and Elite Direto XR. So, looking at the Direto XR, the simple answer to all of those is: Pretty darn good in most cases. I ‘m running a white industries crank at 42×26 ( I would have gone with a 24 if it was not the limit of shimano 16 tooth gap) so should I run on the 26 or the 42 ? I've been using it, and a similiar European version lately with great success (exact EU variant I use is automatically linked at left). Post by genovesi.andrea » Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:16 pm . Hi Ray, Here in Portugal I can find the Direto XR and the Kickr Core for about the same price. I am also not sure how to do power smoothing, similar to the straight lines we see from Wahoo or Tacx. Direto XR problemi vari. But it’s below that of most people’s fans, unless you have some quiet fan or something. Here's the thing, some people like front wheel blocks, some don't. I use Apple TV for Zwift the vast majority of the time, but also just for watching YouTube/Netflix/etc on the trainer. By going near 50 km/h, the spin down actually works…. Good. Once I hit 37kph, Zwift just said “stay at this speed” and not to let the speed decrease to perform the spin-down propely. The Elite Direto XR continues the lineage of the Direto trainer brand, but significantly ramps up the capabilities of the trainer. No cassette to install, no legs to assemble, and hopefully no foam to clean-up. Ray, Should I be complaining/raising this with elite via another avenue as this doesn't feel like a usable level of performance for a trainer out of the box, regardless of price? But one room away is acceptable. Before that, remember to enter as tire size on your Garmin the result of your wheel circumference divided by 12.1. ERG mode was more worrying at first but after playing with the power smoothing (changing default value from 2 to 5), things got better and more stable. And looking forward to read how the Tuo actually compares to a toaster . I am thorn between this one and the Core, I was considering the Core too but I think the Direto XR is more future proof and I have better Elite support in my area. I have Tiagra, the trainer came with a 105 cassette, so I swapped it with a brand new one I bought. Were any Doritos consumed in the making of this review? In any case, I was looking to see how it reacted in two core apps: Zwift and TrainerRoad (Bluetooth Smart on Apple TV and iPad). Overall, a good trainer!! Thanks, Dear Gaetano, So before ending the workout unplug in the desired level of resistance The new XR took all the best bits of the original and improved on them: more power, steeper climbs, and better calculations for we chaps who prefer pies & ale to salad and spring water. This trainer is the biggest evolution of the ... Suito Suito is the latest major innovation in Elite's indoor bike trainer range. I'm one of the ones that do. 200w), Includes motor to drive speed (simulate downhill), Can directionally steer trainer (left/right), Can simulate road patterns/shaking (i.e. They’re more and more rare now, but they do happen (across all trainers). Tacx alluded to some of this in their Flux 2 series, and I included some charts showing it. The resistance kicks up extremely hard that I have to struggle to pedal for some revolutions. Meaning, I suspect this is an algorithm based error rather than interruption based dropout, because I was recording on multiple devices and the power never dropped out (part of the same channel), on any devices. Compatible avec l'appli Zwift. it’s Gaetano from Elite. Very easy to use and set up. I’m in the market for a smart trainer, but direct drive is out of my price range right now. Not sure which is better value now. Thanks. The avg is misleading…filled with 10%+ ramps and flattish hairpins. Though, it also sounded like that last November. From now on, I only activated rouvy 30 days trial so I'm not able to compare with Swift. Doing so means simulating a slight downhill ride. $6.00 - $7.80 (61) Elite Fly 750 ml Bottle. I’d have no reservations in recommending the Direto XR at this point, it checks all the boxes and is ideal for someone who doesn’t want to deal with anything more than just pulling a trainer out of the box, sticking a bike on it, and starting riding. Tks, Sometimes in ERG mode, during the beginning of an interval, it becomes really difficult to pedal. Before we dive into all the usual review stuff, let’s just do a super quick recap of what’s changed between the Elite Direto X, and the newer Direto XR. It’s not always 1:1, but in general if a trainer can put out 24% gradients for a lighter rider at higher speeds, then it can likely also handle a 12% grade for a 250lbs rider at 10KPH. For the most part you don’t clear 20% until you get above $1,000. link to zwiftinsider.com. Also included is a 30-day trial on Zwift, and the manual you won’t read: There’s a power cord, which measures 2.5 meters: Atop that there’s the front wheel block, which helps keep your front wheel straight, as well as makes the rest of the bike even in height. I’ve tried both Zwift and MyETraining, and still have not been able to calibrate either. Ipad, iphone, pc? Seems wrong. De Direto XR is de ideale trainer voor thuis. CONNESSIONE BLUETOOTH ELITE DIRETO XR. Just throw it at the ground and plug it in: Done. – Suito + power meter in the crank (for eg Stages) – to use it on road too, I ended up buying an Elite Tuo which I’m quite happy with. It should work without max power smoothing. I found that I needed to extend them slightly, just so the trainer actually rests on them, versus the larger legs. Can you give + and – after using it for 2 weeks ? Still, it’s pretty darn quiet. Oh, yeah, definitely start pedaling before the video. Easy setup Accurate power Realistic inertiaWell-built Helpful support Quiet. But they said they don’t have such feature and don’t plan to implement it at the moment. I pedaled faster and the calibration through zwift worked. Just like most other companies’ trainer update apps. Peter. In some cases I might prefer 2-3 seconds, but I’m not going to quibble too much there. Anyways I do about 3000 – 5000 kilometres per year on road and I’m thinking about my first trainer (to do 2-3 trainings a week, mixed with CrossFit and running, so definitely not a full-time rider) and what would you recommend for the same or almost the same budget: The OTS (Optical Torque Sensor) ensures DIRETO XR the greatest data accuracy while you’re training.This is an innovative integrated power meter for the hometrainer to measure power output with a ± 1,5% accuracy, 0.5 % more to the original Direto trainer. Is it possible to use the Direto XR with the original 11-speed cassette with a bike with 10-speed without exchanging the original cassette? From the picture there, I can’t get how long does it takes to ramp up the power and how big the overshoot is. Thank you. DIRETO XR also includes Elite's Travel Block front wheel support, perfect to find the most comfortable position while working out. I used the same wording I had for that table on my Direto X review, so it carried over. But in doing so, this more powerful Direto kills off the Drivo series trainers from Elite, which were Elite’s prior top-dog trainers. ELITE Direto XR 2021. And being awesome is what it’s all about! I have Drivo 2 and it takes 14 seconds to ramp up or down. Received my XR today, sweet and ready to ride right out of the box. Elite’s support apps are a bit confusing, because they use their main app (myETraining) for calibration, and a second app for firmware updates. Le home trainer Elite Direto-XR Direct Drive Smart offre plus de puissance avec un résistance lisse et stable de jusqu'à 3 600 watts tout en assurant un expérience d'entraînement réaliste et immersive qui imite des pentes de jusqu'à 24 %. Sūtīt. Hi K, Hi Konstantinos, Note that none of my other workouts had cadence drops in them, so whatever was unique about this workout or gearing/resistance combination was more challenging. The amazon link works fine though. I wore the old one out after a few years - it had been a shop-demonstrator and bike fit device before I got it. So you have to balance that aspect in there. Aaaand… maybe I should have read more of the comments first. Communication sans fil: ANT+ (FE-C) et Bluetooth. Quantity: Add to cart Out of Stock Ask about product ELITE DIRETO XR Cycletrainer + Travelblock. In that case, those were pretty darn smooth. Is this a very significant difference? Aww… bummer. Ray you might want to double-check the mandatory wall wart picture *before* you let that thing roam free in the DCR power brick sanctuary, never to be found again. In Elite’s case, for this specific issue, they are actually correct. The feel is good, and the quiet is amazing. Problem occurs with zwift workouts and drops and ups with wattage. Do you have a bike computer like Garmin Edge 530 or Wahoo Bolt? As I wrote in my previous comment, it is better to test these outside of Trainer Road. Per given times ? This is only suggestions, and what I should have tried, dont know if any of them works for u. from popriu September 25, 2020 . Even the Direto I is very quiet on the climbs. Which one would you pick? Built quality is good even it is covered with plastic, but there is no disturbing noises from it. A bit OT but you show using the Elite Sterzo for the riser block and mention that you always use a riser. . And if I want power meter with Suito I need to get separate power meter (cranks/pedals etc)? Zwift Insider is independent of Zwift corporate (www.zwift.com), although Zwift does provide funding to help defray site costs. But really, the front chainring thing is the biggie, and it’s true of virtually every trainer out there. Accurate power Realistic inertia. Moderators: Elite Admin M, Elite Admin S. 2 posts • Page 1 of 1. rowan.meyer Posts: 1 Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:47 am.

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